Comments on: Archive Of Old Site Deleted http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/ Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:38:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: admin http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-109 admin Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:22:26 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-109 There are a few logical fallacies in your last comment, especially in your second to last paragraph. Statistics actually show no difference, or even the opposite, of what you have written. It is *not* what sociology is coming up with. However, I imagine that for every example I provide you will provide a counter-example, so there is no point in debating further with you. You are welcome to create your own site using whatever data you want to, but I will continue using the U.S. Census Bureau Statistical Abstracts. Thank you. There are a few logical fallacies in your last comment, especially in your second to last paragraph. Statistics actually show no difference, or even the opposite, of what you have written. It is *not* what sociology is coming up with. However, I imagine that for every example I provide you will provide a counter-example, so there is no point in debating further with you.

You are welcome to create your own site using whatever data you want to, but I will continue using the U.S. Census Bureau Statistical Abstracts.

Thank you.

]]> By: Isaac http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Isaac Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:17:14 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-108 You can get the information from a dozen sources, from each election, for any state. Anyway, I am using generalizations, you have to figure out which areas are reliably red, blue, or vascillating. It's not very hard. For example, in my state of California, San Diego can't make up its mind, LA is consistently liberal, and Orange County is consistently conservative. With exceptions, the highest crime and poverty rates are in certain urban centers that faithfully and predictably vote Democrat. Also, if you do some digging you will find that conservatives (the Christian ones in particular) give much more to charity, stay married longer, have lower rates of crime and domestic abuse, etc. It's not a matter of debate, it's what sociology is coming up with. Generalizations are unavoidable in statistics, but what you are selling are absurdities. The data actually says the opposite of what you think it does. You can get the information from a dozen sources, from each election, for any state.

Anyway, I am using generalizations, you have to figure out which areas are reliably red, blue, or vascillating. It’s not very hard. For example, in my state of California, San Diego can’t make up its mind, LA is consistently liberal, and Orange County is consistently conservative. With exceptions, the highest crime and poverty rates are in certain urban centers that faithfully and predictably vote Democrat.

Also, if you do some digging you will find that conservatives (the Christian ones in particular) give much more to charity, stay married longer, have lower rates of crime and domestic abuse, etc. It’s not a matter of debate, it’s what sociology is coming up with.

Generalizations are unavoidable in statistics, but what you are selling are absurdities. The data actually says the opposite of what you think it does.

]]> By: admin http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-107 admin Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:43:35 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-107 Actually, things are far more purple than you claim that they are. Just check out this page to see how things actually break down county-by-county: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2008_election_county-by-county/ Also, if the Census Bureau only publishes state results I cannot help that. Actually, things are far more purple than you claim that they are. Just check out this page to see how things actually break down county-by-county:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2008_election_county-by-county/

Also, if the Census Bureau only publishes state results I cannot help that.

]]> By: Isaac http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Isaac Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:34:05 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-106 Admin, it's the internet. You can find all of this information. With all due respect, you can't just plead ignorance as if your browser can only find government voting and crime stats from one organization. Just pick one state to start out with. It's the natural logical progression. Since you have established your point of view concerning liberal/conservative states, you should now validate it (or disprove it) by breaking the states down by county. If doing so disproves your entire premise, then the intellectually honest thing to do would be to admit that. Admin, it’s the internet. You can find all of this information. With all due respect, you can’t just plead ignorance as if your browser can only find government voting and crime stats from one organization.

Just pick one state to start out with. It’s the natural logical progression. Since you have established your point of view concerning liberal/conservative states, you should now validate it (or disprove it) by breaking the states down by county. If doing so disproves your entire premise, then the intellectually honest thing to do would be to admit that.

]]> By: Isaac http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Isaac Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:28:13 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-105 Also, the prosperous blue states, aren't really blue. They are mostly red with a few populous blue counties in which all of the awfulness is concentrated. Go ahead, start researching by county instead of by state. You will be amazed (if you've just been ignorant all this time), or perhaps you'll just ignore it and keep doing what you're doing (if you're just a big liar. It's really got to be one or the other.) Also, the prosperous blue states, aren’t really blue. They are mostly red with a few populous blue counties in which all of the awfulness is concentrated. Go ahead, start researching by county instead of by state. You will be amazed (if you’ve just been ignorant all this time), or perhaps you’ll just ignore it and keep doing what you’re doing (if you’re just a big liar. It’s really got to be one or the other.)

]]> By: admin http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-104 admin Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:23:46 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-104 Hello. Here is the same answer to your same question posted on the FAQ page: "The Census Bureau does not provide county-based information on these statistics. They only provide state-based information in their annual Statistical Abstracts." Please do not post the same comment on multiple pages. Duplicates will be deleted. Thank you. Hello.

Here is the same answer to your same question posted on the FAQ page:

“The Census Bureau does not provide county-based information on these statistics. They only provide state-based information in their annual Statistical Abstracts.”

Please do not post the same comment on multiple pages. Duplicates will be deleted.

Thank you.

]]> By: Isaac http://conservative-truths.com/2010/06/08/archive-of-old-site-deleted/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Isaac Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:18:05 +0000 http://conservative-truths.com/?p=12#comment-102 Did you do all of the work digging up these statistics without breaking them down by county? Because you should have realized that “conservative states” tend to have enclaves of massively liberal populations, usually in cities. They are only “conservative” in that the rural population outnumbers the urban. But most of the crime/divorce/abuse is concentrated in the liberal centers. For example, most of the crime and poverty in Alabama is concentrated in Montgomery, Birmingham, and Mobile. These municipalities show up as blue spots in an otherwise red state. If you discount them, the conservative states outshine the “blue states” in nearly every category you used. Using a broader category (states instead of counties, in this case) is a classic abuse of statistics. I can’t really comment on the presidential administration statistics because they are so silly as a concept. You know that presidents don’t handle America’s budget, right? Congress does. I'm sorry that you wasted a significant chunk of your life on a faulty (and anti-intellectual, even) use of statistics, especially since a proper model would lead you to many opposite conclusions. Did you do all of the work digging up these statistics without breaking them down by county? Because you should have realized that “conservative states” tend to have enclaves of massively liberal populations, usually in cities. They are only “conservative” in that the rural population outnumbers the urban. But most of the crime/divorce/abuse is concentrated in the liberal centers.

For example, most of the crime and poverty in Alabama is concentrated in Montgomery, Birmingham, and Mobile. These municipalities show up as blue spots in an otherwise red state. If you discount them, the conservative states outshine the “blue states” in nearly every category you used.

Using a broader category (states instead of counties, in this case) is a classic abuse of statistics. I can’t really comment on the presidential administration statistics because they are so silly as a concept. You know that presidents don’t handle America’s budget, right? Congress does.

I’m sorry that you wasted a significant chunk of your life on a faulty (and anti-intellectual, even) use of statistics, especially since a proper model would lead you to many opposite conclusions.

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